German Cross in Gold and the „Dotted“ Story

Hi Guys,

A while ago I read an article about  German Crosses in Gold and their different makers. Interesting information about the Juncker, Godet, C.F. Zimmermann and so on.

German Cross in Gold Zimmermann light full view

Later that day I found a posting / a discussion in a Forum which German Cross in Gold is the best to collect or the best to put in your own collection.

Some collectors say that the rarest is the best German Cross in Gold to keep, other say that the condition is deciding for keeping or buying a cross.  Some refer to the story behind it (yes I know….never buy the story just the badge ;-)) but in this case the story behind it stands for the whole grouping or the estate.

I can remember a time where I bought a huge Uboat grouping form a family here in Germany. The Kriegsmarine Soldier was from 1939 until 1945 on Uboats as a mechanic and served the whole war on these steel tubes.

Zimmermann left /Juncker right – cased

Finally he was on a Monsun UBoat and went all the way to Japan. In 1945 he earned the German cross in Gold.

As the war ends he stayed in japan until 1947 and came back to Germany…..He went a long way on Uboats and as you all know, a lot of german Uboat men died during war time but he survived it. That’s the story behind my German Cross in Gold and I put the whole grouping in my collection. That Cross was made by Junker, it was cased and in good (but worn) condition

About two years later I put my hands on a German Cross in Gold made by Zimmermann (a light one) in the best condition I have ever seen. It came along with the case, also in very nice condition.

Zimmermann left /Juncker right – cased II

I went to the bank and opened my bank deposit, took my Juncker cross out and went home. I put the side by side and thought about them.

Should I keep the unworn minty Zimmermann or the worn Juncker……keep them both and sell some other stuff.…….

Finally I made my decision and I kept the Juncker. I had a name to it, I had a face to it and (yes I know….) I had the story to the cross.

Another thing which made my decision easy was the fact that you see ten Zimmermann a year and only one Juncker. So not always that hard to get a Zimmermann cross in a decent condition.

But let`s stay with the Zimmermann. As you all know there is the number “20” for the Zimmermann company on the needle (inside) of the cross. Easy to identify but there is a problem. Have you ever heard of the „dotted“ German Cross in Gold from Zimmermann?

It is not a secret but there might be somebody out there who didn`t know. So let bring some light in this dark area.

The “dotted” Zimmermann was a long time described and handled as a fake cross. It took a long time to proof that they are original „pre“ war time made.

But fact is, that you have three things to look for to identify these “dotted” crosses.

The first thing is the Number 20 ( Präsidialkanzleinumber “20”) on the inside of the crosses needle. If the 20 is in full shape and on a straight line, that is a normal Zimmermann. If the upper area of the number 2 is cut off and the whole number 20 is not in a horizontal line, you have the indication of a “dotted”. At least it looks like a false or incorrect marking.

The second thing is the number “1941” on the outer golden wreath. On a normal Zimmermann cross the number is on a normal metal underground. On a dotted German cross the date numerals are filled with little holes, which means that there are little dots inside the numbers.

Last thing is the production mistake on the 11 O´clock area of the wreath. The first „dotted“ which were examined didn`t have the „flaw“ but now some Crosses were found with the „Zimmermann Flaw“.  If you see that, the cross should be a good cross.

Mr. Dietrich März is on this subject and he searched for more evidence on the dotted mystery. I think if he finds out something new, we will know it soon.

 

Under the line it comes down to facts and evidence. If you have a normal Zimmermann or a „dotted“ one, don`t get nervous. Just read about the facts and keep the dotted in you collection.

Finally and as always, you have to know certain things in our hobby, so you don´t lose money or pay twice.

Best

Sascha

 

U-Boat Badge Schwerin Berlin 68

Hello Collectors, today I like to show you a really special badge which is in my collection for about 20 years. Way back in 1997 I started to collect more and more medals and as a navy soldier the special interest in Kriegsmarine badges was huge. An older collector told me, that I have to look always for Tombak pieces made by Schwerin Berlin 68.

UBoat Badge – Schwerin Berlin 68

And all with maker on the back…..Start like that and you will always be on the sunny side of collector life ;-). Those days an older lady called me and told me about her uncle who was on submarine. He died during the war and all they have left was a “ U-boat medal made from gold” and some books from the Kriegsmarine. Exactly that week I had a training week and was not able to drive to this old lady and check the badge out. So I called a friend who lived close to the badge location. I asked him to go there, to check the estate and if the price is ok, buy it for me.

UBoat Badge – Schwerin Berlin 68

So he went there, bought it all and a week later we met at my place. He opened the box and showed me this amazing golden U-boat Badge, polished, perfect fire gilted finish, solid block type hinge, marker Schwerin Berlin 68 marked and unworn…..So shiny I had to put sun glasses on. He is a man of honor so he gave it to me.

Sure he wanted to keep it, but one man and one word….that’s the way it goes.

On the backside there is a fingerprint on the wreath…..That days I wasn`t so careful with my badges and touched them like a child…..

UBoat Badge -Schwerin Berlin 68

Because of the sweat from my fingers the fingerprint lines went somehow slightly in the material…..Now I know better 😉

To the history of the U-Boat:

The U-Boat War Badge was instituted October 13th, 1939 by the “Oberbefehlshaber der Kriegsmarine und Großadmiral, Erich Raeder on for award to all ranks of U-Boat personnel who had served on at least two sorties against the enemy or were wounded in action.

UBoat Badge -Schwerin Berlin 68

The design of the badge was based on the 1918 Imperial U-Boat War Badge but replaced the Imperial crown with the national eagle and swastika. The badge was to be worn on the lower left breast of most uniforms. All badges were in Gold, there were no broce or silver badges made. Only a few U-Boar Badges with diamond were made, but that is another story…….